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Use of Pinkertons
There is a strike at the local factory that has not become violent yet. The business owners are planning on bringing in pinkertons to help break up the strike. before answering this question please read through the sites below to get an idea of who the Pinkertons were and what they did. Remember to keep in mind the group that you represent.
Pickertons are practicly the buissness men and women secret army. us buissness need the pickertens for strikers and sit down strickers. without the pinkertons the workers would baisically be ably to own the buissnessmen.
But strikes are part of our rights to free speech, and you can't deny us our rights. Sure, if it starts to get violent then you could bring the Pinkertons in. But, it isn't even violent and we aren't disturbing anyone so why bring them in. They are just going to cause more of an issue than the strikers are.
If you bring in the pinkertons, more and more people will realize what you are doing and will join our cause. Pinkertons make us workers feel more rebellious towards you businessmen. I can garuntee that if you continue to use the pinkertons, more and more people will feel like rebelling.
How will that make youn want to rebel? they are just there to stop people from getting out of control and starting mobs. The pinkertons help everyone out in this situation by keeping the workers safe from others on strike and by keeping the business out of harms way. You have the right to say what you want and go on strike but you dont have the right to be on my business property doing it so the pinkertons will keep you off of it also
But if we don't make it an inconvenience to you, then you won't listen! We set up on your property to send a message, if we try to tell you then you won't listen anyway. Besides the Pinkertons are willing to use any means necessary to get us out of your way, and that is why other people will notice you trying to force us out and join our cause to help us win our argument.
As a wealthy business owner I am for the Pinkertons, the Pinkertons were people who acted like cops to break up the protests. This is a very good thing for my business because my business should be a place of work and not a place to fool around. The pinkertons will come in and help my business run smothly. This is also a disadvantage for the workers because instead of working and getting paid they are worried about protesting against my business
As a child we have the right to protest if we think there is something that needs to be changed in the company. We don't need PInkertons. If something violent starts to happen then the police can come in but we don't need Pinkertons.
I disagree with you because you workers don't need to do a strike, so we business men need some people like Pinkertons that help us to stop the strikes.
I agree with you, i to am a wealthy business owner and i think that the pinkertons are a good thing. I think that if we did not have them helping us out, we might not have any workers in our factories because they would all still be out protesting because there is no one out there to break it up and get them back to work.
We have the right as child workers to say what we think is needed and what needs to be changed. Pinkertons take away that right. No one should be allowed to take that away from us.
As a successful business owner, I believe the use of Pinkerton is necessary. If workers feel like they're being mistreated then they should quit and find another job. There are plenty of more people who would like to take their jobs without complaining. When workers go on strike, it just causes mayhem and a distraction for the employees who are still working. Pinkertons are necessary to stop the distraction.
Maybe the working conditions should be better and then we would not have to go on strike. We should be able to show you how we feel. I don't think letting people come in with violence is exactly the answer that you should go to to break up a strike either. Pinkertons should not be allowed.
As a business owner I agree with you Pinkertons are necessary, if people want to complain and take their jobs for granted there are many other people out there who would love these jobs instead.
Protests are only harming the businesses. Protestors should go back to work and wirte me a patiton. I will be bring in pinkertons to break up these protests and get people working again.
Our protests are not ruining the business, you are ruining them because ou refuse to accept our demands. If you don't listen to our stikes, why would you ever listen to our petitions? Pinkertons won't be beneficial to either side
Protestors have a right to strike if you are not treating them right, but hiring thugs to beat them is not the right thing to do just have the police take care of it if it becomes violent
Us business owners need a set of pinkertons to keep good order in our workplaces, and to keep workers from committing mischievous acts such as striking, sit down striking, or walk offs. I feel these things are not properly taken care of by public police, and so I should be able to use my pinkertons to restore order in the workplace. Workers have no right to refuse working.
For the good of my company as a wealthy bussiness owner I belive that the use of Pinkertons are necessary. The are used to break up the strikes of my workers and hopefully bringing them back to work. I do think that viloence shouldn't be often as it is by these "Pinkertons" but whatever is nessassary to bring my workers back, I am all for it. Pinkertons are basically doing the dirty work for the wealthy bussiness people such as myself. This is a positive for me because then I get my workers back without having to dirty my hands.
Without Pinkertons, the employees could pratically run the place. Whenever they don't feel like working, they don't have to. With the Pinkertons, they will help my business run effectivly, and there will be no more strikers. The workers would not have to worry about them, as long as they go to work, so their is no need for worry.
There is no need for the pinkertons because if they come in they will make everything violant. When you call in the pinkertons and it gets violant people could get hurt and just not work for you and then you would have to hire more people and then another strike will propoble happen.
If your running a decent business and respect your workers, then they shouldn't feel the need to go on strike in the first place. Pinkerton's will just escalate the problem. If you run a good business then you shouldn't need the use of Pinkerton's.
As a business owner I'm actually for the use of Pinkertons. This disturbs the public because of all their annoying rioting. The only way is the use of Pinkertons, if they don't know how to shut, we will do it for them. If they don't like working for us they can simply quit. They all act as if we're "forcing" them to stay. What's that all about, huh? This is Exactly why I would replace these workers with immigrants.
There are so many things that can be said about the Pinkertons and one of them is BRUTAL! There is no reason that there should be blood spilled over people wanting to have better work conditions, better pay to help their families survive.
well your compleatly wrong just because we are disrupting your, nice quiet lounging around time, doesnt mean you should send in crazed killers to beat off the protestors. We are just trying to make our working space more safe and our pay higher.
More safe? Ok so you're saying it is my Fault that you got into an accident because you did not watch out for yourself? If you know about the job conditions and you dislike it, quit. I will replace you with another Immigrant as easy as that. Working in the factories is not a Fairy land where everything in life will be easier. More higher pay to all the employing workers would mean my business will go even lower. Dividing all that profit made to the thousands of workers would not help the business or you at all. Once the business loses more money than it has, there will be more firing and byebye to employee openings. Exactly why I don't need whiners. I need hard workers.
I think that the use of pinkertons is nessacary. Due to the fact that when people are out of hand and they need to be stopped. So if speacial people have to be called in to do the job then that is what has to be done
im not saying that you dont have the freedom to say what you think. Im saying that they are sometimes nessacrry becasue people can take things to far some times
As a child worker, you seem wrong in your belief that Pinkertons need to be used. There are many other ways that you can stop strikes, you just have to accommodate to their demands. That would be the best way to end a strike. Not by killing and injuring the people who are right in their belief that they can protest the bad work conditions.
As a business owner, I think there should be pinkertons. The unions are just trying to annoy the owners bout the industries, so to keep the unions off the property then pinkertons should come and do somthing about the unions with all there loud annoying noises and kick them off. The business owners are just trying to do business and the unions are just getting in the way.
As a wealthy business owner I am for the use of Pinkertons, they will help control the protest outside my business. They are like cops and will take care of all of my workers that are protesting. My business shouldnt be a place where my workers are goofing off and protesting they should be working and not wasting time. The pinkertons would make protests not happen because they would make my workers go back to work. If they dont like the conditions they are in then they can quit and stop compaining about not getting enough money. So we should use pinkertons.
Since I am a business owner, we need Pinkerton's to help us control our businesses too so that people cant just go crazy and go on violent strikes. If they want to strike and say bad things they can but if it becomes violent then we definately need them. Our workplaces should actually be for work and not a place to kill others over small things such as not getting paid enough. Pinkertons are needed!!!!
I also think that Pinkerton's will relieve me of having to deal with the problem. If I am having to deal with the problem of strikers battling on my property, then I cant effectively run my business. I would then lose money and my business would slow down. The workers can start a strike whenever they wanted and if they dont want my business to do well they will always do it. So without the Pinkertons to handle these problems business life would change for almost any owner
I am for the Pinkertons and i think that they should stay around my factory. The Pinkertons will keep bringing in money for me because the workers will be making the products that they are suppose to be making. They will also help to keep my factory running smoothly and keep the workers off the the street. I don't undertand why people are protesting and they are complaining about how much they paid, when they aren't even working if they are protesting.
As a child we diserve to protest since we have freedom of speech. Even though we aren't as educated as the adults we still deserve the right to protest.
I am a wealthy business owner and I am for Pinkertons. Pinkertons will prevent my workers from going on strike. If my workers goes on strike, I will lose out on lots of profit and it will hurt everybody's pay check rather than helping it. Pinkertons will also keep my workers focused on their job and not on planning a strike.
I am for the Pinkertons. They are pretty much useful for my workers to remember who they are working for. I rather preffer that the workers remain working for me rather than trying to have things their way.
I think that the use of pinkertons should be outlawed, because the pinkertons dont have a boundary of when to stop. They could grousimly beat the protestors, and they wouldnt be arrested.
As a wealthy business owner i think that having pinkertons is a good idea. I think that by having them they will help break up the prostests in front of my company and put my workers back to work. If they get a little violent then they do. Thats what they are for. They are there to get the workers back to there spots so they can work.
I agree with this, because if you don't want to stay and work for me then leave. I never forced you to stay in the first place. You're making yourself stay, just have the guts and leave, it's not torture, and if that's what you think then leave, just stop complaining about it all. Be smart and take your part and leave.
Yes i would need to use pinkertons. i would really need them because when there are protests infron of my buisnesses it is bad for me and my buisness. the pinkertons will help to break up the protesters, and they are a good idea.
But this is the only way we can show business owners how we feel and to express our beliefs. If you bring in Pinkertons we will never be able to do that now. We are not over controlling business owners we are just sending a message through their head.
Pinkerton's shouldn't be involved with the work situation because the workers should talk to the business about the problems and sort it out with the other workers.
As a wealthy business owner I believe I need to use pinkertons. The pinkertons are needed to break up the strikes and get my workers back to work. I am better off with pinkertons because I will make money when my employees are working. Even though I have to pay pinkertons it's still better than having nobody work at all. If I don't have the pinkertons I wouldn't have anyway to keep my company in business. Then nobody will have jobs and people will have to live on the streets. I believe that the pinkertons are necessary to get the union workers back to work.
How would you like it if somebody came over and bet you up? That would hurt! So let my heir somebody to bet you up. I was just joking I am to nice to bet you up. Just telling you how I would feel if I was in their place you know what I mean.
If you made good negotiations, the union workers wouldnt go on strike and then you wouldn't have to worry about your employees not working. So the main point is to give employees good salaries.
I a young child disagree with you because the pinkertons that you hired killed my dad. Now I have to work to replace all the money that he was making. Now I don't have time to play with my friends.
If your family members have been hurt by the pinkertons is because the workers shouldn' t do strike. We rich men need the workers for the our business.
But Pinkertons hurt the workers, the workers who are needed to work in your the plant, without the workers you wouldn't make any profit or get more money.
I support what you are saying about pinkertons because if it wasnt for pinkertons then wealthy business owners would be harmed or even killed by there emploeeys that are on strike
Aron I strongly disagree with you pinkertons are not necessary if you dont want protests or strikes then just give us what we want and the use of pinkertons are just turning your own workers against you and just making protest and stirke more.
That's the worst thing about Pinkertons. They are brutal and don't even care about the people they are hurting. And you sir, are wrong in your beliefs that you should have to use the Pinkertons to get the workers back to work. You should make the conditions for the workers better so they can work at the full potential and maybe you wouldn't have all of the strikes.
Pinkertons are noting but a useless form of brutality. We as workers have the right to protest for our rights without being abused. We shouldn't be abused just for standing up for ourselves.
As a wealthy business owner I disagree with this statement I think that if you were lucky enough to get a job back then you shouldn't be wasting your time trying to protest against my business. Also if you really don't want to work and protest you are losing a huge part of income for your family and you might not have enough money to provide for your family.
Brutality? Not exactly, look at yourselves disturbing my Business and the public. Who was the cause of all of this is the first place? It all comes down to the workers because they think it's not Fair. Okay if it's not fair then leave. Quit. I never forced you to stay in the first place, and I never grabbed you by the hand and asked for you to work for me in the first place. You brought yourself here to work for me with your own two feet and hands. Next thing you know is that you're all complaining about us, the businesses, that we're giving away the jobs to Immigrants who are more hardworking then all of you. Exactly. It's because many of you are too lazy. Instead of rioting and wasting all that time you could be working for me and earning money. I guess that's just too bad for you and your families.
We are not able to quit because it is very difficult to get a job and the ones that are hiring have the same poor conditions. The pinkerton prevent us from striking, which is the only way to improve the working conditions at any job.
Of course you can't quit because you'll not survive without us. Even if the immigrants are going to work in the same conditions as you, they would continue to work. They came to America to Work. They have no jobs in their countries. They moved here for many of those same reasons.
Pinkertons are not a useless form of brutality they are mainly there to keep things from going to far. Workers do have the rights to express there thoughts and ideas but they can do that without protesting
I agree, people have the right to protest without being abused. This is america and with one of her laws is the first amendmant wich is freedom of speach. they have every right to stand up in what they beleive in.
I agree with you. People should be able to stand up for what they believe in and not be doing it in the fear of getting beat up. Pinkertons are just a way industrys can bully people into going back to work without getting their hands "dirty".
As a business owner I disagree with you because you workers should just work without to do strike. We give you the right wages and you don't have reasions for complaining about your working conditions.
Pinkertons are good to controll the crowds of strickers. without pinkertons, the strikers would go out of control and we would have an uneeded epidemic.
we need the pinkertons to stop violence so the workers dont get hurt and so products can be made and we make money and the buisnessmen can sell the proudcts
As a wife and a union worker I bellive we have every right to go on strike and beleive in what is right. The use of pinkertons is wrog and may lead to some people getting hurt. Yes I understand that this is not good for the company but we have to do some things that we believe in.
I agree. Us workers cannot just stand by and wait for things to get worse because business owners are too caught up in all the money they have. A strike is the only way business owners will listen to what we have to say.
You can go on strike whenever and i am ok with that but it will get way out of control like everyone of them does and then when you are getting hurt because people are going crazy, you will wish that the Pinkertons were there to stop all of it. So we do need them
I am against the use of pinkertons because I am a female worker. I dont want to be beaten up or bullied because were on strike even though we arnt violant. If we arnt violant calling in the pinkertons will make us violant and only mak your compony look really bad. Also there can be deaths involved with that so i dont think theres a reason to bring in the pinkertons unless it gets violant.
As a wealthy business worker, I believe in using Pinkertons. Pinkertons will keep my workers in the factories and not waisting time protesting on the streets. If my workers go in strike the business misses out on lots of profit and so do the workers.
if you want us back in the factories working so badly, then you should listen to what we have to say. we have wants and needs too, but lately most of you big owners are overlooking that fact.
i too am a wealthy business owner and i believe in the use of pinkertons. I think that if my workers are out in front of my business then i need to get them back in to work. The pinkertons helped get them back to work.
I disagree with you because we business men need pinkertons for to break up the strikes of the workers. If the employees didn't do strikes, we didn't need pinkertons.
As an unionized worker, I am against the use of Pinkertons. The bosses are wanting to ruin our strikeand our cause with the use of these thugs. If they want us to stop, they should give us what we want instead of treating us like animal.
Pinkertons are violent and wrong. As a unionized worker I think that we should have the right to strike. We will never get more right if the Pinkertons beat us everytime we time we strike. Strikes are the only way for us to get rights, and Pinkertons take that away. Pinkertons and wrong and cruel.
The pinkertons are only used for doing what public police fail to do: keep order in the workplace. Workers should not be allowed to strike, and the pinkertons are simply a tool we use to suppress activities that are not allowed by employers.
The police are able to handle it. We should be allowed to protest, we have freedom of speech and can say whatever say and do whatever we want as long as its not against the law.
As a wealthy business owner I believe that unions should not go on strike. When you go on strike I lose a lot of money. If you really want to lose your job and have me go out of business keep on striking. If you lose your job I can almost bet that you will be living on the streets somewhere. This is the reason why I want pinkertons they are helping you get back to work which is a better thing for you and other workers. The pinkertons I hired are there to help you and me. I think you should just go back to work so you don't get hurt by them.
Pinkertons aren't needed. If no one is getting hurt yet, why bother bringing in the pinkertons and starting fights? The terrible working conditions we have are a good reason to strike. How are conditions going to get better if we don't fight the bad conditions?
I disagree, because the unions are starting it. As a business owner we gave you all jobs, money, clothes and shelter which is more than enough. So why get angry and mad also annoying when your working for us and have a job?
You gave us jobs, with horrible conditions. As a child in this environment, I fear that I'll get injured on these machines. Why not give us jobs with better conditions to begin with? Better condtions=less strikes.
I think there shouldnt be use of pinkertons unless it gets violent. People and workers have the right to protest their right and speak freely about what they want and believe for.
I think that is true but almost every strike that happens turns crazy and we need them there just in case. Which you also agree with so you think that Pinketon's are needed by saying that unless people get violent. If we dont have Pinkerton's and something goes out of control then we have no one to stop them
Pinkertons aren't bad people. They are paid to do their job, just like the rest of us. They get a bad name because they just happen to fight in their job.
Pinkertons are not bad because they make sure that there aren't protests and that things don't get out of hand. It is most important to be at your job and making money to support your family, with the things that they need.
Pinkertons are not needed. We as workers have the right to stand up for what we think is right. we do not need people telling us how to do when we know it is wrong.
I don't think that the pinkertons are needed. There is nothing wrong with protests. Being a woman worker we are not violent in our protest. I think that is what the police is for. It is a ridiculous amount of them too, they are lmost like an army. We can find a better way to deal with this.
Without the Pinkertons, you workers would be able to not work when ever you want. The police won't take in affect to make you workers work again. If this is the only way to get my workers to work, then it must come into affect; and every worker who protests, I lose money.
We don't not work whenever we want. We stop working when a big business owner makes it unfair on the workers. We protest to gain our rights back so we aren't just being taken advantage of
The pinkertons are are too large of a force, instead of being a police force it is more like an army. Being for womens rights, I should be able to speak my belief. With pinkertons around they take away that right of speech from you and are violent. They should limit there power.
Pinkertons should not be called in to stop a strike, especially if it hasn't gotten violent yet! We, being humans, have the right to go on strike or the right of free speech. You can't deny us our rights. Plus bringing in the Pinkertons will make the situation violent, which I am pretty sure that the business owners don't want people getting hurt on their property.
Pinkertons are unnecessary. As a child, we should be free to protest. Its freedom of speech and there shouldn't be anybody that can force us to stop. If it the protests get violent then you can bring in police but no until then.
I am a unionized worker and i think that they should not bring in the pinkertons because they should let us beleave what we want. Pinkertons are violent and and wrong they should treat us alot better.
Yes as unionized workers you do have your right and freedom to believe what you would like. However by protesting it is no longer souly your beliefs you begin to effect other people. This is when I as a wealthy bussiness owner say enough. Belive what you want but conform and violently protest thats when the police need to come in. The Pinkertons would not need to become violent if the unions would be happy with the jobs they had and be willing to peacefully negotiate instead of vilently!
I disagree with you because i am a business owner and if you have a problem suck it up or talk to your boss about the situations. Instead of striking all its doing is getting u payed less because your not working. The pinkertons would treat you better if you just went back to work if they have to use brute force then they should becasue you are doing what your suppose to be doing your job.
the business owners do not listin so why should us unionized workers waste are time when we can get are point accrost when we are not working. so the business owners should suck it up!!!!
Why should pinkertons treat the unions better when the unions are being loud and noisey and have no right to disrupt the business or the owners? So as a business owner, the unions are loud and annoying, then we bring in the pinkertons
As a women worker i am against the Pinkertons. We have freedom of speech and we can say what we feel. We can handle this on our own, we don't need people here to stop us from speaking our mind.
As a unionized worker I think that Pinkertons are a bad thing they can hurt Innocent civilians that wasn't even connected to the union. The Pinkertons would kill the workers just because they were a part of a strike.
As a business owner, we need pinketons. All you unions are doing is disrupting the public, so why not bring the pinkertons in? Us business owners are just doing business, so why protest when your just disrupting?
This is our right. I'm a wife, a worker, and a mother and I should be able to speak my mind and not have to worry about violence or police disrupting that. I work hard for my family and if there's something that I'm passionate about, then I have the right to express that. Violence isn't the way to solve every problem so I am against the use of Pinkerton's.
Pinkertons stop strikes, and that helps companies and causes most union workers to get reprimanded and could reduce pay. As a union worker, I believe that Pinkertons are an unneccesary use of force against strikes.
I a young child am against pinkertons beacuse a couple of years ago my dad was on strike and pinkertons came and killed him. Now I have to help support my family. I don't have any time to play with me friends and I can't get an education.
I agree with you Cody, because Pinkertons use unneccesary force and they can show bad examples for child workers, and that could be a problem later down the road.
Pinkertons should not be used for breaking up strike. Because I think as a woman worker they should be used for protecting someone’s live like that Lincoln was protected by them.
I disagree with pinkertons because the country says that you have the right to free speech and expression with the pinkertons the industry's is taking that away from us.
I am aganist the use of pinkertons as a child because the pinkertons killed my dad while he was striking, instead of hiring thugs they should just have police take care of it because the thugs are reckless.
Workers do have the the freedom of speech, so i think that the pinkertons aren't that bad because there just there to keep things from getting out of hand.
As a women worker i am not for the Pinkertons. We have freedom of speech and we should be able to say how we feel. If you were running a good business people shouldn't want to go on strike in the first place.
As i said in one of my posts as support. America is a free country and people have every right to protest even in situations like these. They should be able to protest with out the fear of Pinkertons roaming around trying to do the industry owners dirty work and abuse the workers
The pinker tons are not needed because they betted innocent citizens. They also arrested many just for protesting, and did many other things. So pinker tons were not needed, but they still hired them. I think the police should stop them from doing these things, and they should stop the robber barons from hiring them.
Pinkertons are not needed! Us workers have a right to think what is right, and should be able to say what it is. & If people don't like it, well then that is to bad.
I think that the use of Pinkertons is useless. People shouold not have to revert to violence to get what they want. Everyone should be able to stand up for what they want, wihtout the fear of being beat up for what they believe in.
As a worker I don't think that thier should be Pinkertons. They do more harm then good. They are against the workers and don't let us do what we want to do.
We have the right to make our own rights, and decisions. It shouldn't be up to them, I agree, they should just get rid of them, all there doing is causing more harm than anything.
This is like sending U.S. Navy men into a crowd to stand their and tell us what we can and can't do. It's worthless. Shouldn't those pinkertons be on our side? They would probably say no anyway so they can make the big $$$$$. We as workers, have rights. It's our decision to decide if we want to complain or not about unfair wages and work hours. It will be a raid if business men stand in all our way and keep telling us no. We aren't going to stop at a no. We will do as we ask or please the government and our bosses to do. We have voices that need to be heard and answered. Like I said before, I have 12 children.
NO,NO, NO,NO, AND NO! WHY THE PINKERTONS! That's like saying that the U.S. NAVY men are going to stand their in the crowd, and tell us what to do and how to live. The are not God, and Moses for pete's sake. We have voices, rights, and thoughts. If the business men think they're going to win, they won't win without a fight from us! I am a working mother of 12 may I remind you.
I do not think that pinkertons should be allowed. We people should be allowed to stand up for ourselves without someone coming in and being violent. We have a right to be on strike a should not get punished for it.
As a worker, I believe we should have the right to protest. We should be able to state our opinion loud and proud. Business owners are using Pinkertons as a way to shut us up. I am against Pinkertons.
I am against this, who ever forced you to stay? You can just stand up and leave for all I care, I never asked you to stay. We didn't grab you by the hand and tie you down to stay.
We have rights, you can't just take them away from us. We have the right to make up our own decisions. You can't just boss us around, we never asked anybody to stay.
You can leave, go ahead it's no harm. Just let us have the right and make our own decisions.
As a child working in the factories, I believe that the Pinkertons should never be used. All they cause is chaos and casualties in the strike. What if there was a young boy who got killed because of the pinkertons, how would you think the protesters feel. They only use brutality and are not always the best solution.
As a child I am against bringing in Pinkertons. I believe that workers have the right to go on strike or protest in what they believe. Pinkertons are just going to come in and destroy all beleifs of the workers. As a worker going on strike is the only way to get to business owners how we feel about the company, and now it is going to be all gone with the use of pinkertons.