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Debate Score:77
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Collective Bargaining for Wisconsin State employees

For this argument make sure that you stay in your roles that were assigned for this class. Scott Walker the Governor of Wisconsin helped create and pass a law that limited state employees collective bargaining rights and also asked them to contribute more to their health care plans and pensions. Read through the links below to get an idea of the bill and some of the points that were in it.

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I think that people need collective bargaining because they still need to have a voice in there life without a voice the government would run right over them and would not listin to what they say.

Side: For
chribenti(29) Disputed
1 point

The governmet as to much power they don't need to have collective bargaining, because if we don't hav it they shouldn't have it.

Side: Against
1 point

I support what you say about Collective Bargining for wisconsin state employess. The government would just run us all over and do what ever they please with us. And we would have no say on what goes on around us.

Side: For
aron17(16) Disputed
-1 points

I believe that collective bargaining is not necessary. Employees have enough voice already. If employees didn't have enough voice they wouldn't be happy. I haven't noticed any un-hapiness in the teachers jobs that I have seen in my school I think the teacher at first were shocked but have gotten over it very quickly. I believe that even though the state employees don't have much of a voice the government will not be jerks and change up a bunch of things to make the employees un happy.

Side: Against
2 points

I think that people need their rights but i dont think they should have as much say as their boss or owner. Without collective bargaining owners can make whatever rules they want which isnt right but the boss should still have a small say over the employees. He/she should be able to run their business however they want it. But also, the employees shouldnt be able to get fired for no reason.

Side: For
1 point

I think that Wisconsin state employees need collective bargaining. Without collectivebargaining, Wisconsin employees can have their rights stripped without any say. Collective bargaining helps employees get rights througha fair process of negotiations.

Side: For
1 point

True, collective bargaining helps the worker to support their own rights

Side: For
tknuth14(31) Disputed
1 point

I have to agree, without collective bargaining our workers would have no rights. They could be fired and no one would have to give them a reason why. Wisconsin workers need their rights.

Side: Against

I definitely agree with you taylor without collective bargaining workers wouldn't have rights and could be fired for know reason which wouldn't be fair.

Side: Against
1 point

I agree with you because without collective bargaining we wouldn't have rights, and thats not fair at all. We need rights, they give us reasons to stick up for ourselves, so that we can fight and try harder to succeed and keep jobs.

Side: Against
lkroon(15) Disputed
1 point

If state employees get bargaining rights why don't all other people like lets say people working at a grocery store? Plus state employees have like all holidays off and they main people striking at the capital were the teachers and they get all summer off and almost all major holidays off.

Side: Against
chribenti(29) Disputed
1 point

With the collecive bargaining they could talk their way out of paying their taxes and we would do it for them.

Side: Against
1 point

I agree that people should be treated fairly and have equal rights.

Side: For
aron17(16) Disputed
-1 points

I disagree with you that without collective bargaining employees lose their rights. I believe that the government has so many restrictions to protect their employees. I think that they should be happy with the rights they have and should be greedy and ask for too much. I think that negotiations are not necessary for employees to get good rights because they already have good rights.

Side: Against
aron17(16) Disputed
-1 points

I disagree that the rights of the state employees will be taken away. The government has way to many restriction and regulations to take away their rights. The employees have a lot of rights and should be happy with what they have. I think that with collective bargaining employees can be greedy with the demand of too many rights.

Side: Against
1 point

Collective bargaining is the only way we have to keep from getting stepped on by our employers. We could't make it one year without collective bargaining. Collective bargaining is what keeps us being pain a decent amount.

Side: For
1 point

Without collective bargaining employees can have their rights stripped without any say. Collective bargaining helps employees get rights back fairly.

Side: For
1 point

Wisconsin's state employees need collective bargaining. Without it they can be fired or have their rights striped from them for no reason. Collective bargaining helps them be treated fairly by business owners and gives them their rights. Wisconsin needs collective bargaining for its employees.

Side: For
sbartz9(11) Disputed
1 point

True they should not be fired for no reason because if they are hard workers then there should be now reasion they are fired

Side: Against
ehueppchen(19) Disputed
1 point

You could even be a hard worker and get fired for a reason like because your boss doesn't like the way you dress or you smelled weird last week. These reasons are completely irrelevant to anything.

Side: For
1 point

Exactly, being treated fair is really the only thing most people want and with collective bargaining everyone is treated fairly and justly.

Side: For
dayton121394(38) Disputed
0 points

Who cares if you get fired if you don't get collective bargainin? You people just ruin everything that people simply want more money.

Side: Against
1 point

Wisconsin State employees need Collective Bargaining. If there was no Collective Bargainings the employers could fire them or take away their rights without for no reason and the employee can't do anything about it.

Side: For
Denton(26) Disputed
1 point

True, but I dont think an employer is going to fire a worker for no reason because that is just another thing that the employer has to do. Most employers dont want to do anything. If a person gets fired then they probablly did somthing that got them fired.

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I think that we should have kept collective bargaining because it then they will be able to negotiate a fair salary that the companies may not want to give to employees.

Side: For
1 point

Wisconsin needs collective bargainin becasuse otherwise we could be stripped of all our rights and not have any say so about it.

Side: For
1 point

We need to have collective bargaining for Wisconsin State employees. Without them, employees might not have any rights; this will also take away from their paychecks. With the taxes, we don't need any more money taking away from their paychecks.

Side: For
1 point

I agree that we still need collective bargaining because the workers wont have a say in what they get paid. The works wont get equal rights.

Side: For
1 point

Collective Bargaining is the way to keep good negotiation in Wisconsin. Without this people could get fired for no particular reason. There doesn't need to be any significant relevant reason to being fired. We need collective bargaining to keep and save our rights.

Side: For
1 point

Collective bargaining supports the worker so they have a say in their own job

Side: For
1 point

i agree, without collective bargaining, we wouln't have any rights. We deserve rights just like everyone else.

Side: For
1 point

I think that state employees make to much money and they need to pay the same amount of money of health care as every one else does. They shouldn't pay less on health cure they should pay the some amount.

Side: For
1 point

I support this becasue collective bargining is a really great way to have negotiation in Wisconisn. Without negotiation people would get fired for no reason and we wouldnt have our rights. We need colective bargining to keep our rights in tack.

Side: For
1 point

im for it because without it the employees will get stepped on by their employers

Side: For
1 point

I'm for this because Wisconsin employees need collective bargaining because if they didn't have it then the employers could fire them. Also, they ould take away the rights of the employees and the employees couldn't do anything about it.

Side: For
1 point

I think that we need collective bargaining because otherwise no one will get a chance to speak their mind and the government will take over everything.

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1 point

I think unions are still needed because I people might become like a robber baron. But yet the world has changed so I think we don’t need them (that’s my opinion of the normal Chad Benti, not the unionized worker). But as the unionized worker, I think we need them because people might think their money is more important then people.

Side: For
1 point

Wisconsin State employees need collective bargaining. Without it, there is a chance that they might not get equal rights and that is not fair. Workers should be able compromise with their bosses about their jobs.

Side: For
1 point

I think that collective bargaining is needed in Wisconsin because you might not be being payed enough for what your doing. The government has to much power and shouldn't have a say what you should get paid.

Side: For
1 point

I think that collective bargaining is important for workers. People should be allowed to say and determine what they get paid. Otherwise the bosses and people in charge would just take total control.

Side: For
1 point

Collective Bargaining should be mandatory. People need unions to protect themselves. If we get rid of collective bargaining, it's like we're going backwards instead of forward. Unions have obviously helped people in the past and it is still needed.

Side: For

I have to agree with the collective bargaining. Without collective bargaining workers could get fired for no reason even if they are doing their job well which isn't fair at all. Collective bargaining also gives business owers and workers an attempt to negotiate to try and agree on one thing, this can be used for hours, wages, and working conditions

Side: For
1 point

I am for collective bargaining because it gives a voice to the state employees. Without these baragaining rights things from their retirement to the healthcare could be significantly changed without they getting to say anything about it. Take away collective bargaining and things could become violent like they already did at one point with protests and such. I think to keep both unions and state happy it would be in the best interest of everyone to keep collective bargaining

Side: For
1 point

Without collective bargaining, Wisconsin state employees lose some of the rights they deserve. Having these rights have made employees protest and argue less with their employers, taking that away could have consequences.

Side: For
1 point

We need a voice because if we didn't have one, the government would just do what they wanted.

Side: For
-1 points

I think there should be Collective Bargaining for employees without any restrictions. So, I believe that Scott Walker's bill shouldn't be passed. It should be an employee's choice whether they want to put more of their paycheck into heath care and such. There shouldn't be a bill passed to make workers put more in. That's just less money in their paycheck to help them get through the week.

Side: For
svargas(27) Disputed
1 point

I disagree because without collective bargining should be passed with restrictions. If the employers could choose if they wanted to put more money into health care then they would most likely not put alot in health care. They wouldnt because everyone is out for their own and everyone wants more money.

Side: Against
1 point

I think collective barganing is not needed because if the state employees get to bargin why dont other people that work in diffrent places like a store not get bargaining rights? It is time for some of these state employees to pay up like govorner walker said.Tthey have so many rights compaired to the other people to work in this state that we need to get our money back in some way to get the budget deficite lower so we arnt one of the most broke states. So we are going to get money from th bargining rights so we can get some money for more important thing like the roads and more things for the whole state.

Side: Against
jfaust(25) Disputed
2 points

State employees need collective bargaining because they have different conditions then people who work at stores. People who work at stores have unions and can strike. It is illegal for state employees like teachers to strike, therefore they need collective bargaining so that they can have good conditions without disrupting things. The alternative to collective bargaining is state employees attempting to strike which will greatly disrupt things like education and law enforcement.

Side: For
1 point

I agree with this becasue I think that if they should be able to bargain then everyone else should be able to. But at the same time, we shouldnt take away all of the money just from them. I also think that we should be taking it away from everyone so that everything is equal.

Side: Against
1 point

I agree the state workers better start paying equal tax money that we do so that with all that money they earn the state can take it away and if they don't pay take them away and open up a new job for the people who need and are qualified, and if their train them instead of sending them to school to be qualified but when it comes time to work they are over qualified for the job.

Side: Against
nreil(30) Disputed
1 point

Store workers and non state employees don't have the same situation. The do not have anything to negotiate. Where state workers have things such as retirment benifits, taxes, and health care support that they need to have a say in. For example teachers and their bargaining rights if they had non what so ever they would have no say in class sizes. Imagine a kid going to school and trying to get a personalized education in a class of 30+ students. It benifits everyone in the long run for state employees to have their bargaining rights.

Side: For
1 point

I think that if the government is going to take money away from people they should have to take it from everyone, not just a certain group.

Side: Against
1 point

I agree with this. Money should be taken away in taxes for everyone and not just put on a certain group. This makes it unfair for public employers because most are educating or helping our cities or the people in them

Side: Against
1 point

I believe that Wisconsin state employees should not have collective bargaining. They shouldn't be complaining about their working conditions and pay. There is already lots of restrictions and laws that help them.

Side: Against
1 point

I think that wisconsin state employees should not have collective barganig because they have a job and then get paid a decent amount of money for only working half of a year. I don't think that they should be complaining about their salary or there benifits. I think they have it pretty well made.

Side: Against
1 point

I think that the employees already have alot of rights and laws supporting them. I dont think that teachers need to to complain about there wages or there beinfits becasue they only work half of the year and they make decient money and they have pretty good benifts.

Side: Against
1 point

I agree with this because teachers have a good salary and can make a fine living. They have plenty of benefeits because they get the whole summer off just like students. Some teachers even are coaches for sports and that will increase their salary. So they have plenty of benefits already and dont need to worry

Side: Against
1 point

They shouldn't be complaining. It is exactly as what Walker has said. The economy is going down even further because we are not negotiationg. There is already laws giving you many benefits. At least you should take part in paying something. It would help the debt that we are in.

Side: Against
breichert13(28) Disputed
1 point

I disagree because people should be able to say what they want. Other people shouldn't be able to take control of other people's lives.

Side: For

I agree with you brooke if none of the workers get a say its not really fair, collective bargaining makes it so workers can also have a say what happenes in their jobs.

Side: For
kneils(28) Disputed
1 point

workers should have a small say but the owner should be able to set his own rules for his business. If they dont want to work for the owner then they dont have to and he will go out of business. People will only work at businesses they like and the owners know this so they should treat their employees well if they want to keep them there.

Side: Against
1 point

I agree with you because collective bargaining controls people and what they want, i don't think they should be able to take control over us just because they are the boss or the government, they can't control every little thing. And make up silly reasons for some things that don't make sense, that wouldn't be fair.

Side: For
nreil(30) Disputed
1 point

I do agree with you that there should be a little help with the current debt however there are other ways to do it. Walker has no right to say this he is taking away the voice of thousands of state employees. If he thinks that this will silence them by taking this away I'm sure he is going to be sadly mistaken.

Side: For
1 point

as a child laborer i want collective bargaining so i can make work a lot more comfortable and enjoyable for myself.

Side: Against
1 point

People don't truely need collective bargaining. There is a reason for people to be heading the companies. These people should be looking out for the workers, the workers don't need to look out for themselves.

Side: Against
-1 points

I believe state employees should not have collective bargaining. They do not need to be complaining about their working conditions, pensions, and pay. I believe that they should be the last employees to be complaining about everything. There are so many laws and restrictions to benifit them. I think that the state employees are just being greedy and asking way more than they deserve. Also I think that teachers should not complain about their wages because they don't even work in the summer and still make a descent salary.

Side: Against
jfaust(25) Disputed
2 points

It isn't just comlaining about working conditions. There are serious issues that involve collective bargaining. There are aslo some issues that don't directly involve current working conditions like retirement and health care. Without collective bargaining these things can be taken from employees.

Side: For
tknuth14(31) Disputed
1 point

But without collective bargaining businesses could fire us for no reason! It isn't fair, workers need their rights. If we don't have rights than how are you going to get people to work for you. You need to treat your workers fairly otherwise your business is going to fail. Also, you can't take our rights like free speech away from us.

Side: For
lkroon(15) Disputed
1 point

To start with everything you disputed had nothing to do with the collective bargaining rights. collective barging is were the teachers like get certain holidays off and like get a reduced price on insurance so you might want to read the articles up there on the top. but they still have all there right and freedom of speech and cant be fired for no reason.

Side: Against
chribenti(29) Disputed
1 point

Agreed that they shouldn't commplaning about working conditions. They make the laws and they should follow them as well, and not make us do all of their taxes for they as well.

Side: For
efohr(40) Disputed
1 point

They coul;d fire us for no reason and get away with it! It wouldn't be fair to us at all. We work our hardest and if we get fired because we don't have collective bargaining than that is rediculious! We have rights to!

Side: For
hanhalt(28) Disputed
1 point

No, the working conditions are not good and if we have to work under them we get a say in what they are. We should have a right to make the conditions better. I think it would be fair if we at least would get to negotiate them. We could come to a compromise. I think that collective bargaining should still be allowed.

Side: For
hanhalt(28) Disputed
1 point

Collective bargaining is needed so that as workers, we get treated fairly and equally. We should be able to have a say in our pay and working conditions. It is not right if we don't.

Side: For
CodyH(25) Disputed
1 point

I also agree with you that you don't need collective bargaining. The workers should be happy with what there being payed and they can deal with the working coditions that they have.

Side: For
alefeber(22) Disputed
1 point

Collective bargaining is so important for the protection of workers. Without collective bargaining people will have wage cuts and they could be fired for absolutely no reason. People need to be protected. There's honestly no good reason to get rid of collective bargaining.

Side: For