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Debate Score:102
Arguments:97
Total Votes:107
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Are union needed still?

The number of people in Unions in America has declined ever since the 1950. Do you feel that this trend will continue into the future? Make sure to back up your argument by looking at the sites below on unions.

heritage.org

Economic policy institute

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Side Score: 63
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Side Score: 39
2 points

I believe unions are still needed because they are a good way for the workers to get their demands met by a company. Conditions have gotten much, much better but there are still things workers need to argue.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes I do think Unions are still needed. UNions help people feel like theey are backed up. People that have the same opionion you, support your knowledge. Unions always stick together, they are one for all and all for one.

Side: yes
1 point

Unions could still be needed for factory and manufacturing jobs, where people work with their hands and really depend on the right working conditions and benefits. These people could sustain injuries from faulty machinery, for example, and the employer might not provide compensation or fix the machine if there were no unions supporting strikes and better conditions. But I also think that unions should divide their members into groups based on things like productivity, skill, merit, and seniority, and advocate the right conditions for those groups.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes i think that unions are still needed, and they will continue to decline in the upcoming years. I support unions.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes i think that unions are still needed, and they will continue to decline in the upcoming years. I support unions.

Side: yes
BrandenSBui(14) Disputed
1 point

Why would we need unions when the government already issued good working conditions laws? We have minimum wage laws, child labor laws, and safety laws. Your chances of getting fired after doing a good job at your job is slim. So, don't worry about getting fired. I think the government is doing a fine job with these laws, so there is no need for unions when they do the same exact thing.

Side: No
1 point

True, the gov. has laws tht support the worker, unions just add an extra load onthe work place

Side: No
svargas(27) Disputed
1 point

I disagree witht this becasue without Unions all of the jobs wouldnt work properly and yeathere are laws about wages n saftey but the Unions would be a back up for all of those things.

Side: yes
jjwolf6(27) Disputed
1 point

Just because the government made new laws for businesses dosen't mean the union dosen't have anything to dispute.

Side: yes
1 point

I support unions because they're still needed for factory jobs and stop bosses from firing someone who has been working there for a long time to hire someone to pay them less. Buisnesses can't have too much power then.

Side: yes
jfaust(25) Disputed
2 points

There are laws that prevent unreasonable termination. The union would not be able to do anything more than what the government already does. If the boss does find a reason to fire someone, unions can't do anything to prevent it.

Side: No
1 point

This is exactly how I feel. Without unions, business owners would have to much control over everything. This along with safety regulations are enough of a reason to keep unions.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree with you. Unioins are needed. They help union workers and non-union workers, even though non-union workers may think not.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree with you, I think that we definitley do need Unions so that it helps with the working environment.

Side: yes
Denton(26) Disputed
1 point

I disagree because an employer isnt going to fire a person who has been there a long time if that person does a good job and works hard everyday. I think the employer should have the right to fire somone if they are not working as hard. If an employee works but not to their full potential then they should be fired so a person that will work their hardest everyday can have the job.

Side: No
simone95(28) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with you because I believe that the government defends the rights of the workers so they don't need unions.

Side: No

I think that unions are still needed. Now adays we have much better working conditions so they aren't necessarily needed for that, but they are still needed. With different unions you can have different benefits and unions keep everyone in control, so all of the power doesn't go to one person.

Side: yes
1 point

Unions are and always will be needed or the business owners will just start taking everything we have worker fore away from us in a blink of an eye. Unions negotiate terms with employers to make sure the salaries and other variables are fare.

Side: yes
1 point

Unions are still needed today. Unions are needed so that big business owners cannot take advantage of the workers. Without unions the workers wouldn't able to get what they deserve.

Side: yes
1 point

I think that unions are still needed. For the fear fact that people need to be astblished and get togther to make sure that they are getting the rights and benifts that they deserve

Side: yes
1 point

Without unions workers wouold have no control over their work lives. They could not say if they want vacation, sick days, or personal days. The business owners would have total control and you couldn't do anything about it. Unions are definitely still needed for the workers rights.

Side: yes
jfaust(25) Disputed
2 points

There are laws that mandate how many sick days and such workers are given. No matter what, bosses can't take these away without consequences or worker compensation.

Side: No
1 point

I think that unions are needed and not needed because people who want to work should be paid over 7.25 an hour only if they work for it and dont complane. For the people who do not put effort into there work they should not get paid as much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: yes
1 point

I think unions are still needed because unions fight for the rights of the workers. Unions also fight for workers health care and retirements, and the how much money a worker makes.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree with you because the Unions do control our rights and they help us be able to support our families much better I think, and I believe that they control things so it's all pretty much even between social classes, one person can not make "too much" money, it kind of gets evened out.

Side: yes
1 point

I think that Unions are still needed in the U.S. They are needed because Unions raise the wages for more low and middle class workers. The Union would set standards for all work places like pensions, wage premiums, and benifits. A Union would make a cushion for all work places to fall back on because they support them. Unions would make work places in the U.S easier.

Side: yes
1 point

I think we still do need unions. Unions aren't just used to make sure there aren't bad working conditions, but people in unions also can get paid more and get more vacation. Unions can just make things better for workers overall.

Side: yes
simone95(28) Disputed
1 point

I think that employees don't need a union. We business men give to the workers a right wages for to live and the sunday is their day of vacation. Also the government defends their right so it is not necessary to have a unions.

Side: No
1 point

Union are needed because there are labors today. I think union is necessary for labors to protect their rights even it is declining now.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes unions are still needed. Just because not as many people are not in unions these days, does not mean they do not help out everyone. They help keep fair pay and other things that are essential to the wellness of the working people.

Side: yes
1 point

yes, because a lot of people like the feeling of having that back up if something happens where they are going to need the back up. its like a cusion for people.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes Unions are still needed because we need power towards the industry because if they were all the sudden taken away the industry could fire you for no reason.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes I think unions are still needed. Unions allow workers to speak for themselves and say what they want in their workplace. Without unions, business owners will have too much power and workers won't have a say in anything.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree. I think that if there were no unions there would be alot of workers that would be on strikes and not at work because if the union did not fight for wages or stuff like that the workers would be working for nothing. If there was not a union, the wealthy business owners would have alot of power and the workers would not be able to do anything about it because there would be no unions.

Side: yes
1 point

I think unions are still needed because I people might become like a robber baron. But yet the world has changed so I think we don’t need them (that’s my opinion of the normal Chad Benti, not the unionized worker). But as the unionized worker, I think we need them because people might think their money is more important then people.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes, I still think they are needed. They give energy to the workers, unions make communications civilied and the workers have more energy.

Side: yes
1 point

As a worker I think that we still need the unions are let us have are freedom. They let us be able to have some say in our jobs and what we have to do. If they get rid of the unions no body will be happy.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes we still need unions because we need to be treated equaly when working. I feel that having a union, workers would become better at working and being more skilled.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes a union is needed but for bigger businesses ones that have other branches of companies all over the country where they have a lot of employees and the head of all of them can declare a certain amount so they get equal pay at everyone of those companies.

Side: yes
CodyH(25) Disputed
1 point

I agree with you that we still need unions. If we didn't then the company could pay everyone the less amount of money that they want to and they can fire if you make a mistake when you are working.

Side: No
1 point

I believe we still need unions. Without unions, business owners will have too power over the workers. They let workers have communication with the owners. Workers need to be able to have good working conditions and with unions, they can be able to have them.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree with you that the business owners will then have too much power if they would get away from having the unions.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes, unions are still needed. I you would get hurt for a couple of mounths and you couldn't work they could fire you. They could also fire you for no reason and if you are making a lot of money thay can fire you.

Side: yes
1 point

I think that unions are still needed. If there weren't unions then the workers won't be treated as fair. Unions allow the workers to have a say in what changes would be made to there job and how much they get paid.

Side: yes
1 point

I think the number of unions will decline because of the government, but I think they're still needed. Workers need protection and unions give them that.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes i think that unions are still needed to make sure that people have rights at the workplace and are treated fairly. As a child, we need to have rules about how old we have to be to work and what kinda of work we can do. Also about how much we get paid.

Side: yes
1 point

i think they still are needed because the industries now are still kinda the same in the workers rights and payments. Also the unions partially show the government that the industries are not treating them right.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes, I think unions are still needed because they are a good rescource for workers to get met by.

Side: yes
1 point

Unions are in place for reasons that I could not understand why anyone, except if you were saddistic, would say that they are no longer needed. Unions are one of the best ways that we, as citizens, can demonstrate our right to freedom of speech. Without unions, employees would be slaves to factories. Imagine not having a union: no holidays, no workers comp., dangerous working conditions, long hours, and no mercy for the employees.

Side: yes
1 point

I am all for the creation of the Union. They are greatly need because the work conditions of how the kids are treated in the factories is just plain terrible. For all of the things that we have to do, it's just terrible. They would hopefully help with the work conditions and payment so that we can have a better life for my family, because every little bit counts at this point in life.

Side: yes
1 point

We need a union to have a strong government. That runs smoothly.

Side: yes
1 point

I believe this trend will still be going on because people get paid for wages now, an they have good benefits. It's understandable how they were needed back then since there were few or no worker pretection laws. But now with the laws today why would we need them?

Side: yes
0 points

I beleive Unions are still needed. I don't think they're needed for working conditions and/or minimum wage. But, I think they're still needed to prevent business owners from trying to cheat their workers. If there were no unions, then what would be stopping an owner from firing an employee who'd been working for them for 15 years for someone new to do the same job for less money? The employee would have to find another job and start from scratch.

Side: yes
jcravillion(16) Disputed
1 point

I partially agree with you, business wners should not be trusted, but entire unions might be a little too much

Side: No
1 point

I agree witht the fact that we dont need them for working conditions and minimum wage.

Side: yes
0 points

I think that unions are still needed in the work world today. Unions make communications between big bussiness owners and workers easier and also more civilized. It prevents bussiness from taking too much power by putting some of the power into the hands of employes. By doing this the employes have influence on the decisions of the bussiness owners. So when the bussiness owners make their final decision it is less likely for there to be distpute between workers and owners by making both parties happy, in most cases.

Side: yes
jcravillion(16) Disputed
1 point

Unions do give some power to workers, but for non-unionized workers, life can suck because of job competition.

Side: No

I agree with what you said, unions make communication civilzed between businesses and workers. They can communicate easier with eachother and give each other new and improved ideas to make the company or business.

Side: yes
aron17(16) Disputed
-1 points

I don't agree with you that the businesses take too much power if there is not a union. I think the company will actually treat you better if your not fighting against them. If you treat them good the companies will treat you good too. Also, the goverment has put so many restrictions on companies that it is very nice compared to with no restrictios back in the early 1900's.

Side: No
tknuth14(31) Disputed
1 point

In the past it didn't matter how you treated the businesses, they didn't care. They treated you how they wanted to and you had to deal with it because you needed to support your family. Unions are definitely still needed to keep the working field fair. Without unions businesses wouldn't be required to do anything for you or even to treat you fairly. So why would you want to take unions away from us?

Side: yes
cdenzin(26) Disputed
1 point

Without unions some big businesses owners will still take advantage of its workers. Just beacuse you don't fight against them doens't mean they will be nice to you. We need unions to keep balance in the company.

Side: yes
0 points

It's true that the working conditions of our country are better. Just because it's better doesn't mean that it's all resolved. Without any unions at all, business owners would have more control and things could go really wrong. Unions follow structure that allows the workers to have some sort of opinion on what's going on. It also keeps workers as well as business owners regulated in hours, pay, vacation, and many other things.

Side: yes
3 points

I don't think that unions are still needed. During industrialization unions were needed to get better working conditions. Now we have laws that insure good working conditions. There is a minimum wage law and safety laws. There are also child safety laws that limit how many hours can be worked. Unions no longer need to negotiate for what they want because the government controlls what happens at the workplace.

Side: No
nreil(30) Disputed
1 point

Unions are not just used for working conditions and regulating wages. They are also involved in vacation days, sick days, tax reforms, as well as retirement benifits. With out unions bussinesses would have full power over workers and the employes would have nothing to say about it without being uncivil.

Side: yes
zbradley(22) Disputed
1 point

But what if the working conditions are not very safe, what if people are continually getting hurt. If people keep getting hurt, the workers need to stand their ground and tell their superiors that that are not getting proper protection wear or tools to work with.

Side: yes
2 points

In general, I don't think unions are still completely necessary. There are a lot of companies that are viewed as ridiculously wealthy, and if these companies didn't give their workers good benefits and rights and stuff, people would just think the companies are stingy. Nobody wants to do business with a cheap-at-the-money company. Kohler, for example provides excellent conditions for all workers, and it's mostly because of Mr. Kohler, not unions.

Side: No
1 point

I would have to agree with you because the points that you have made seem very right in the place of a very compassionate employer. If the company starts out with the better work conditions and payments, then there really is no need for the Unions.

Side: No
1 point

I think that unions are not needed because the government now has laws and regulations to control most of the workforce so the companies dont have too much power.

Side: No
1 point

I dont think that Unions are needed because they allready made an impact on the working world and their time is over. We dont need them anymore for anything. Unions already made minimum wage, social security payments, an eight hour day and weekends, overtime pay. what else do we need a union for?

Side: No
ehueppchen(19) Disputed
1 point

We need them for the balance of equality and power. If unions are illiminated all together, business owners would have to much power over the employees. Unions help create specilized jobs and create a way to better sort out hard workers from people that would rather not work.

Side: yes
cdenzin(26) Disputed
1 point

If there were no big businesses would have complete control over their workers. Unions help to keep balance in the company. Without unions there would be many more arguments from the workers.

Side: yes
BradyLudvik(22) Disputed
1 point

unions are still needed their time isn't over yet because business owners still might not understand why there are unions in the first place yet.

Side: yes
1 point

I don't think unions are still needed. I believe people are already protected enough by the government that unions aren't that essential. I believe that people would be fine with unions and I think they are becoming more of a burgen.

Side: No
1 point

I don't think that unions are needed anymore, because people now have more training and specialize in different areas and I don't think that everyone should get paid the same for different jobs. Now that machines do most of the factory work today, people need to be able to process and be educated in many areas in order to get a job, so they would have to go to college and then that gives you a big loan to try to pay back, that's why you should get a higher raise than someone who didn't go to college. And that is what unions believe in, equal pay no matter how much training you need.

Side: No
1 point

I don't believe that we still need unions. With all of the laws we have now, minumum wage, child laws, and saftey laws, there is no need for the unions to negotiate the working conditions when we already have good ones. The government is doing a good job of creating good working conditions for the workers.

Side: No
tknuth14(31) Disputed
1 point

But without unions workers would have no say in anything. Business owners wouldn't have to give them vacation days, sick days, or anything. It wouldn't be fair. Unions keep it fair and allow workers to be treated like, well, human beings. Just because we have so many laws now doesn't mean you have to get rid of unions.

Side: yes
BradyLudvik(22) Disputed
1 point

unions arent here to get better working conditions anymore. They are here to make sure they dont get worse

Side: yes
1 point

I dont think that unions are still needed. I believe that unions don't help at all. They are actually worse in some cases. Unions seperate the company which makes the company weaker and more likely to fall. I believe that unions are helping companies fall to the ground not help workers get what they want. If workers really want to shut down a business, join a union and watch it fall. I do not think that unions are need because it doesn't always lead to a positive change sometimes it is a negative change.

Side: No
1 point

I agree with you Aron, because peopel have different talents today, and people are not workin on the assembly line anymore, but they still do jobs that do need a little different pay.

Side: No
chribenti(29) Disputed
1 point

Unions help with workers pay and working conditons and they also help build up most work places for the better of the workers.

Side: yes
Devlen K.(24) Disputed
1 point

Would you rather have all of your workers start a strike and your production decrease significantly? That is the only thing that the Unions want to help, they make the worker feel better about the working conditions irregardless of where they work.

Side: yes
1 point

I think unions are not needed because children have laws for minimum age to work and how long you can work. also theres laws for minimum wage and working condition. If they fire you for no real reason theres laws for that to where you can get you job back if they have no legit excuse for firing you.

Side: No
1 point

I don't think unions are needed as much today. In my place of work, tile work, unions actually hurt our business, because they add competitioon to the field. Some factories may still need unions to keep working standards up so we dont go back to what it was like during the industrial rev.

Side: No
1 point

I think that they would be good to have around but people are gaining rights as it is and for the most part i think that people won't be paid like that anymore because if you think about it, back then the companies that were unfairly treating their workers because the laws around them werent developed yet. now there are laws to stop this from happening.

Side: No

Unions are not to be needed at all. With these people gone, my workers will get they money that they desvere for all of that hard work.

Side: No
1 point

yes they can get all of their money that they want for their families so they can't complain that they can't feed their children.

Side: No
1 point

As a business owner I don't think unions are still needed. I want to be in control. I want to be able to fire others when I want to if they are not working like they should be.

Side: No
1 point

No Unions are not needed because the government has it controlled with minnium wage and maximum work weeks for children.

Side: No
1 point

No, they should not be needed. It will only disturb the public and our businesses. It is important to keep everything going and not hesitating over a step. That step is to pass the unions. If they don't like the jobs, leave, quit. I've made my point in many other of the debates about why this is exactly why I would hired immigrants instead.

Side: No
breichert13(28) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with you because this would cause more problems. If you would get rid of the unions it would make people angry and it might make people want to start protesting and things could then get ugly.

Side: yes
Devlen K.(24) Disputed
1 point

They are greatly needed irregardless of what you business owners say. They will only help us with our well being, and hopefully increase the work of your employees because of the improvements of the pay and work conditions.

Side: yes
1 point

No unions are not needed for small companies where there are not a lot of employees that they have to keep track of and see what their capabilities are, and they can get paid by how well they work.

Side: No
1 point

Unions are not needed any more because some people work hard and get paid the same as someone how just stands around and does nothing all day. That is not far to me and the other works how work hard

Side: No
1 point

we don't because we used them for industailzed reasons and now that we have new laws, they aren't needed

Side: No
1 point

NO!! We do not need union. Long ago before we were born did George Washington need union?? No they did not, they lived a long happy life with know debt because they did not have union. Union is just another way for The United States Of America ferther into debt. Union makes people lazy and so they live off of union because they know that even if they don't do there responsibilities they have union to support them with there money. We are increasing in unemployment because of union I say NO to Union!!!!!!

Side: No
1 point

NO!! We do not need union. Long ago before we were born did George Washington need union?? No they did not, they lived a long happy life with know debt because they did not have union. Union is just another way for The United States Of America further into debt. Union makes people lazy and so they live off of union because they know that even if they don't do there responsibilities they have union to support them with there money. We are increasing in unemployment because of union I say NO to Union!!!!!!

Side: No